Today’s Blogger:
(Who is typing today?)
Today’s Facilitator:
(Who is leading the discussion today?)
Important Events:
(List the important events from each chapter of the reading you did for the chapters 8-14. Talk about the significance of these events.)
Important Passages:
(List at least two important passages from chapters 8-14. Talk about the significance of these passages.)
Focus Questions:
(Discuss all of the questions below. Record your discussion/answer for at least two prompts/questions.)
1. Discuss Justine’s “guilt” and trial. Why were many who knew Justine hesitant to come forward on her befall? Why didn’t Elizabeth’s appeal sway the crowd and, in fact, make everything worse? Why did Justine confess her guilt?
2. Explain why Victor calls himself the “true murderer.” Do you agree or disagree? What could he have done differently? How did Victor, Elizabeth, and Victor’s father respond to the Justine’s death? Discuss and explain their reactions.
3. Describe how the creature learns from the family who lives in the cottage. Why is he drawn to the family? Discuss what else he learns besides language and reading (about relationships, love, labor, etc.).
4. In what ways is the monster’s education like that of a woman during Shelley’s time? Think about the self-education, how they learned, and what types of learning they had access to. What points may Shelley have been trying to make?
5. What realizations does the monster come to in chapter 13? What does he question? How does he feel? Discuss this part of the book and your reactions to it.
6. Discuss Safie’s role in the story. How does she know the De Lacey’s? Compare her to Justine and Elizabeth.
Extra Time – Discussion Notes:
(Record any additional discussion. What did you find most interesting? Did you disagree about anything? Was something important realized? What literary terms did you discuss? What do you think about the characters and their actions? ETC…)
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Today’s Blogger:
Dylan Bergstrom
Today’s Facilitator:
Paige Robinson
Important Events:
-Justine is arrested for the crime and is put on trial
-Frankenstein thinks his creation killed William
-Victor travels to chamoux and finds his monster on top of a mountain
-The monster tells its story to Frankenstein
-Monster talks about his journey beginning with when he was born
-discovers fire with curiosity
-goes to villiage and a man runs away when he goes into his hut
-goes to the hovel and observes the people who live inside the hut
-He learns their language
-Arab lady, Safie, arrives at hut
-During all this the monster develops his emotions and begins to learn more about the world
Important Passages:
”listen to me, and then, if you can, and if you will, destroy the work of your hands.” Pg. 97
“Life although it may only be an accumulation of anguish, is dear to me, and will defend it… I ought to be thy Adam, but am rather the fallen angel.” Pg. 96
Focus Questions:
2. We agree with the statement, but we are unsure if the monster was the real murderer. They were all really sad about Justine dying. To prevent this from happening Victor could have confronted the monster after creating it and chain it up or something.
3. He just watches through a crack in the wall. He learns that the family is very poor and feels sad because he is at fault for stealing some of their food. He thinks about how the origins of man and his actions and his appearance. He wants someone like him who can love him and sees the family and how they love each other. He wishes that he had a mother and father and a childhood and learns about how people grow over time. Learned about the different roles in a family to get the work done and how the amount of work you do relates to the amount of bread you break.
Discussion Notes:
Victor should have raised the monster and given it a name. If he would have raised the monster instead of running away none of these problems would have happened.
Today’s Blogger: Liesel Reussner
Today’s Facilitator: Cody Kukuk
Important Events:
- Justine was found guilty, and she
died by execution.
-Victor runs away through a valley.
-Victor sees the monster... they have an encounter.
-The monster tells Victor his story.
-The monster starts with pain and doesn't know anything and lives in the woods.
- The monster finds fire.
- The monster finds a cottage and goes into it. The man living there runs away.
- The monster goes into a village and the people chase him and throw rocks at him.
-Then the monster finds a farm and lives in the shed there.
-The monster tries to learn the language and watches the people living on the farm.
- When they are asleep, the monster shovels the driveway, cuts their firewood and works in the garden for them, but they don’t know that he is there.
-An Arabian lady shows up at the farm and is learning English, so he also tries to learn.
Important Passages:
"I had an obscure feeling that all was not over and he would still commit some single crime by its enormity should almost efface the recollection of the past." -pg.87
"I was benevolent and good; misery made me a fiend. Make me happy, and I shall again be virtuous. “ –pg.96
Questions:
#2: Victor himself the “true murderer” because he created the monster that killed William, which led to Justine’s death. We agree that it is kind of his fault because he created the terrible but awesome monster. He could have taken care of the monster instead of running away from him, and the monster needed a friend. That way he would have had more control of the situation, and have a mentor/role model. Victor, Elizabeth, and Victor’s father were all depressed by Justine’s death. They reacted by depression and freaking out, denial and crying.
#3: The monster watches the family through their window, and learns from their actions and words because he can hear them as well. He is drawn to the family because they seem nice to him, and they love each other and he has no love. He learns language and reading along with learning how humans react with each other. He also learns how humans hide and show their reactions and emotions.
Today’s Blogger:
Elijah Jimerson
Today’s Facilitator:
Tony
Important Events:
Chapter 8: Justine died.
Chapter 9: Victor decides to go to Hamounix
Chapter 10: Victor found Frankenstein
Chapter 11: The monster begins his tale in talking about his experiences in different villages.
Chapter 12: Frankenstein finds the De Lacey’s who give him food and a place to rest.
Chapter 13: Frankenstein realizes he is ugly.
Chapter 14: The reader hears the whole story behind Safie.
Important Passages:
1) “I lay on my straw, but I could not sleep. I thought of the occurrences of the day. What chiefly struck me was the gentle manners of these people, and I longed to join them, but dared not.”
2) “ I will soon explain to what these feelings tended, but allow me now to return to the cottagers, whose story excited in me such various feelings of indignation, delight, and wonder, but which all terminated in additional love and reverence for my protectors (for so I loved, in an innocent, half-painful self-deceit, to call them).”
Focus Questions:
3. Frankenstein learns how to adjust to the daily lives of humans. He learns many words from the stories the family reads aloud. He is drawn to the family because he likes how they seem to get along and how they let him come into the house compared to other villages. Something else he learned besides language and reading was morality and how not to steal anymore because he found out it was bad to steal. Frankenstein also figures out the ugly physical appearance of himself.
4. Frankenstein compares to the women of his time because he seems to really have no education and had to learn from experience like that of women. The creature had no choice on what was read to him, woman having the same little choices. Shelley was trying to make the point of how women had no educational experience and how hard it was for a woman to get by in society.
• Chapter 8 – Justine get convicted, killed for killing William
• Chapter 9 – He visits the village of Chamounix
• Chapter 10 – The monster finds him and takes to hut home
• Chapter 11 – Monster begins talking (his point of view)
• Chapter 12 – He talks about how he observed a family, Safie comes and visits (she’s Turkish), Felix’s wife, mother was a Christian heir, passed on her opinions to her daughter
• Chapter 13 – He learns to talk, becomes more knowledgeable about the world and its history,
• Chapter 14 – Talks about the history of Safie and how she left her father to come live with Felix
Important Passages:
1. “Felix seemed ravished with delight when he saw her, every trait of sorrow vanished from his face, and it instantly expressed a degree of ecstatic joy, of which I could hardly have believed it capable; his eyes sparkled, as his cheek flushed with pleasure with pleasure; and at the moment I thought him as beautiful as the stranger.”
2. “As I said this I suddenly beheld the figure of a man, at some distance, advancing towards me with superhuman speed.”
Focus Questions:
1. People who knew Justine were hesitant because they knew that she was a very nice, polite person and thought that she could not do anything as harmful as hurt William. Elizabeth’s appeal to the crowd sways the crowd and makes everything worse because William is related to her and very close, and her telling the court that Justine is innocent confuses them and causes them to think harder. She confessed so other people do not get confused.
5. He comes to the realization that no one will ever really love him. He questions if he will ever be loved or excepted. He is in despair. We felt bad for him, but it was kind of understandable. Everyone thought stuff like: “you are ugly, you are a bad person.”
Today’s Blogger:
(Who is typing today?)
Haylo
Today’s Facilitator:
(Who is leading the discussion today?)
Jeffrey
Important Events:
(List the important events from each chapter of the reading you did for the chapters 8-14. Talk about the significance of these events.)
William died, Justine is tried for the murder of William and found guilty. Justine put to death. Victor has an encounter with his monster in the mountains of Chamounix. The monster talked to Victor about his encounters with a family in the mountains.
Important Passages:
(List at least two important passages from chapters 8-14. Talk about the significance of these passages.)
”Oh, God! I have murdered my darling child!”
“Do you not think, Victor, that I do not suffer also?”
Focus Questions:
(Discuss all of the questions below. Record your discussion/answer for at least two prompts/questions.)
2. Explain why Victor calls himself the “true murderer.” Do you agree or disagree? What could he have done differently? How did Victor, Elizabeth, and Victor’s father respond to the Justine’s death? Discuss and explain their reactions.
Victor calls himself the “true murderer” because he knows the monster killed William, and he created the monster. We don’t agree, because Victor didn’t cause the anger that is inside the monster. Victor, Elizabeth, and Victor’s father responded in anguish to Justine’s death, because they knew she was innocent.
4. In what ways is the monster’s education like that of a woman during Shelley’s time? Think about the self-education, how they learned, and what types of learning they had access to. What points may Shelley have been trying to make?
The monster’s education is like that of a woman because it was extremely limited and they both had limited access to educational materials. They both learned the most by observation and listening to more educated people converse. Shelley may have been trying to say that women and invalids were viewed as more inferior than men and therefore less deserving of education.
Today’s Blogger:
Annie Libeer
Today’s Facilitator:
Will Libeer
Important Events:
-Justine Mortiz was executed.
-The Frankenstein family goes on a vacation.
-Victor contemplates suicide.
-Victor meets his monster and goes back to his cave to hear his story.
-The monster tells Victor the story of the family he has been watching.
Important Passages:
-It surprised me that what before was desert and gloomy should now bloom with the most beautiful flowers and verdure.
Pg. 115
-He easily eluded me and said, “Be calm! I entreat you to hear me before you give vent to your hatred on my devoted head. Have I not suffered enough, that you seek to increase my misery?”
Pg. 96
Focus Questions:
2.Victor calls himself a murder because he created the monster who he thinks murdered William. If he had never created he monster than William might still be alive. The Frankenstein family was very sad and Victor became suicidal. Alphonse decides that they should go on a vacation to lift their spirits.
3. The creature learns from the family by observing them. The monster is drawn to the family because he has never seen people interact before. Besides learning language and reading, the monster learns about social classes and people’s relationships.
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