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Article 1 (Asquith): Discuss the following questions. Record your discussion.
1. In the second paragraph, Asquith begins to discuss the "complex narrative structure." Discuss how the story would be different if it was told from an omniscient narrator or another character? How would the characters and/or events be different if it was told in a different way? What did you like/dislike about the framing of Frankenstein?
2. Asquith asserts that "Walton and Frankenstein are soul mates" (2). Why does Asquith believe this to be true? Why do you agree or disagree?
Article 2 (Shelley): Discuss the following question and record your discussion.
3. “Treat a person ill, and he will become wicked. Requite affection with scorn; - let one being be selected, for whatever cause, as the refuse of his kind - divide him, a social being, from society, and you impose upon him the irresistible obligations - malevolence and selfishness. It is thus that, too often in society, those who are best qualified to be its benefactors and its ornaments, are branded by some accident with scorn, and changed, by neglect and solitude of heart, into a scourge and a curse.”
What does this mean? Agree/disagree? What do you think about nature vs. nurture? Check out the following info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_versus_nurture
4. Discuss your annotations about the second article. Record your discussion for at least one major point in which you agree/disagree, make connections, ask questions, etc.
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Today’s Blogger:
Dylan Bergstrom
Today’s Facilitator:
Rachelle Hamilton
Discuss both articles. You will answer all questions below.
Article 1 (Asquith): Discuss the following questions. Record your discussion.
1. It wouldn’t show the direct emotions of all the characters. There would be a different feel about the monster; there would be a different slant on all the characters. Didn’t like the letters at the beginning, should have just started at chapter one. Thought the story was kind of boring and made keil fall asleep.
2. Because they’re both guided on Promethean ambitions and have trouble with women. Agree, because they both just need someone to love and be their friend.
Article 2 (Shelley): Discuss the following question and record your discussion.
3. It means how you nurture someone with determine their nature, agree. People aren’t necessarily born into their nature and will change according to how they are raised.
4. Mood is gloomy in book so the reader doesn’t really feel any emotions because the book is pretty much just the monster going around killing all of Victors family, and their was no change or happiness in the book.
Today’s logger: Patrick Carter
Today's Facilitator: Cody Kukuk
1. The story would have been much clearer and everything would be shown. The character's emotions and stories would have been revealed in more detail. If it was told by one character you would only get one characters point of view. I liked how the story was framed. It kept the story interesting.
2. Walton and Frankenstein both had the Promethean spark and creativity. Walton also wants somebody to temper his ambitions. We disagree because Frankenstein was not in his right mind and might not have been such good friends with Walton under different circumstances.
3. We agree. It means that if you treat someone who is nice badly they will eventually become mean in response. Sometimes the very nicest people are outcast and then become mean because of the treatment others have given them. Nurture is better than nature because in nature you become self reliant and only fend for yourself but nurture makes you kind.
4. The person is being very complimentary because it was his wife. We didn’t understand his allusions. The compliments were very strong.
Blogger: Lily
Facilitator: Tony
1. If the story were told from one person's perspective, the story would be biased and focused on their personal events. An omniscient point of view would give a more objective, fair story. How the story was framed with different character's perspective gives the reader a good sense of their personalities.
2. Asquith's speculation of Walton's sexual experiences is unfounded and irrelevant. Their friendship is platonic and does not have anything to do with "displaced sexual energy." We disagree with Asquith that Frankenstein and Walton are "soul mates." Her reasoning is weak and unconvincing.
3. The monster was inherently good, but was turned evil by the world's cruelty. When people are treated poorly, their personalities are affected, usually negatively. We agree, because the monster started out good, but then his environment changed how he acted. Some things may be dictated by nature, but nurture has a great effect also.
4. Percy Shelley also discussed the matter of nature vs. nurture. He asserts that "[the monster's] original goodness was gradually turned into inextinguishable misanthropy and revenge." He implies that both nature and nurture have lasting effects, but those effects may be malleable. We agree with his statements of the monster's personality.
Today’s Blogger:
Taylor Beals
Today’s Facilitator:
Will Libeer
Article 1 (Asquith): Discuss the following questions. Record your discussion.
1. Victor’s perspective being used as the narration adds mystery and suspense to the story, and it shows Victor’s emotions towards himself and towards the monster. If another character had narrated the story, the reader would not understand the conflicts between Victor and the monster. The characters and events would be the same with different narration, but the perspective and the reasons behind the events would be very different. We liked that the reader could view the conflict between Victor and his monster, but we would like to have seen more of the story from the monster’s perspective.
2. We agree that Walton and Frankenstein are soul-mates, because they are both very ambitious and they share the same ideas and personalities.
Article 2 (Shelley): Discuss the following question and record your discussion.
3. We agree with the quote, because we believe that if people are in a bad environment or are treated badly they are more likely to reflect their experiences with their emotions.
4. We agree with Shelley’s statement that the novel “rests its claim on being a source of powerful and profound emotion”, because the story is based on Victor’s emotion towards his monster, and the monster’s emotion toward the world.
1. It would be ten times more boring. You wouldn’t feel like you were actually in the story. The reader might not sympathize for Victor, but the monster instead. Some of the events that occurred in the book might not have been shown to the reader. We liked how the book was written by letters and the experiences of Victor.
2. They both are seeking relationships that don’t work out. All that Walton wants is a friend while Victor, when he gets Elizabeth, cannot hold on to the relationship. This is also seen in his relationship with the monster. He could never see the monster’s inner beauty, only his hideous exterior. We agree this statement; they are mos def soul mates.
3. This means if you treat someone badly, they will treat others the same way. It is a cycle, like the plague of poverty on the world. We agree strongly that people are molded the experiences that they are forced into. We think that nature is a part of a person’s personality, but that nurture is has more to do with it. Experiences and how you react to them make you who you are.
4. We disagree that it is the “modern Prometheus.” In the Greek myth, nobody dies, and people help the created who is neglected by the creator, whereas in Frankenstein, every hates and condemns the monster.
Today’s Blogger:
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Jeffrey
Today’s Facilitator:
(Who is leading the discussion today?)
Eric Studley
Discuss both articles. You will answer all questions below.
Article 1 (Asquith): Discuss the following questions. Record your discussion.
1. In the second paragraph, Asquith begins to discuss the "complex narrative structure." Discuss how the story would be different if it was told from an omniscient narrator or another character? How would the characters and/or events be different if it was told in a different way? What did you like/dislike about the framing of Frankenstein?
You wouldn’t get the feelings that Victor was feeling towards the monster and his ordeals in dealing with it. You wouldn’t understand the monsters feelings or actions, because you wouldn’t hear his story or thoughts. We liked the idea that Victor was supposed to be the victim, but he actually turned out to be the mean one, while the monster was trying to find love.
2. Asquith asserts that "Walton and Frankenstein are soul mates" (2). Why does Asquith believe this to be true? Why do you agree or disagree?
Asquith believes that Walton and Frankenstein are soul mates because they share the same Promethean ambition. We don’t agree, because Walton never really expressed an interest in creating a man out of cadavers.
Article 2 (Shelley): Discuss the following question and record your discussion.
3. “Treat a person ill, and he will become wicked. Requite affection with scorn; - let one being be selected, for whatever cause, as the refuse of his kind - divide him, a social being, from society, and you impose upon him the irresistible obligations - malevolence and selfishness. It is thus that, too often in society, those who are best qualified to be its benefactors and its ornaments, are branded by some accident with scorn, and changed, by neglect and solitude of heart, into a scourge and a curse.”
What does this mean? Agree/disagree? What do you think about nature vs. nurture? Check out the following info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nature_versus_nurture
This means that if you mistreat someone they will in turn become mean and mistreat people. We agree, because it just makes sense that if you mistreat someone they will turn the same actions on others. I think that for the most part it makes a good bit of sense, because almost all babies take after their parents, and learn from their behaviors.
4. Discuss your annotations about the second article. Record your discussion for at least one major point in which you agree/disagree, make connections, ask questions, etc.
We liked the first paragraph of the article because we agreed that the story gets more intense as they climb higher and higher into the mountains, and kind of comes to a conclusion after Victor and the monster stop to talk in the mountains and Victor agrees to build him a companion.
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