Thursday, December 11, 2008

Group Post 6 - 12/12

Today’s Blogger:
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Today’s Facilitator:

(Who is leading the discussion today?)

Discuss both articles. You will answer at least three questions total.

Article 1 (Hustis): Discuss the following questions. Record your discussion for at least two.

1. If necessary, use the internet to help you answer the following questions: Who is Prometheus in Greek mythology? What did he create? What did he steal? Who was mad and punished him? Explain how Hustis views the juxtaposition of the Greek myth with the Shelley’s Frankenstein and how she believes “Shelley innovatively problematizes the moral conflict between Zeus and Prometheus” (2).

2. Reread the last paragraph on page 4 (it continues onto the top of page 5). Discuss the following quote, “The modernity of Shelley’s Prometheus figure is illustrative of how, when Promethean pity is overlooked in favor of appeals to justice, “fairness” can become little more than a means of denying involvement in the problems of others, even when those “others” are the creator’s own progeny” (5). What do you think this means? Agree/disagree?

3. Agree or disagree – “Creativity can never be conceived of as a singular train of thought or a solitary impulse. Instead, creation is always an associative or nurturing act: a creator recognizes the inherent capabilities of his/her progeny (whether that progeny takes the form of a child, an idea, or a monster) and moulds and fashions it in the context most suitable for its development and success” (7).

If time allows, talk about your annotations. Record your discussion for at least one major point in which you agree/disagree, make connections, ask questions, etc.

Article 2 (Millhauser): Discuss the following question and record your discussion.

1. In literature, the noble savage is: “an idealized concept of uncivilized man, who symbolizes the innate goodness of one not exposed to the corrupting influences of civilization” (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/416988/noble-savage). Discuss the monster as a noble savage. Why does he fit this archetype? Agree or disagree - “This aspect of the monster’s character is basically unnecessary to the horror-plot” (2).

If time allows, talk about your annotations. Record your discussion for at least one major point in which you agree/disagree, make connections, ask questions, etc.

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

Today’s Blogger: D’anthony Lewis


Today’s Facilitator:

Paige Robinson

Discuss both articles. You will answer at least three questions total.

Article 1 (Hustis): Discuss the following questions. Record your discussion for at least two.

1. If necessary, use the internet to help you answer the following questions: Who is Prometheus in Greek mythology? What did he create? What did he steal? Who was mad and punished him? Explain how Hustis views the juxtaposition of the Greek myth with the Shelley’s Frankenstein and how she believes “Shelley innovatively problematizes the moral conflict between Zeus and Prometheus” (2). Prometheus was a titan that created people from clay and stole fire from Zeus and gave it to the people, Zeus got mad tided him to a rock and birds ate his insides out. Shelly thought she effectively modernized it and brought it to were modern people would understand it.

2. Reread the last paragraph on page 4 (it continues onto the top of page 5). Discuss the following quote, “The modernity of Shelley’s Prometheus figure is illustrative of how, when Promethean pity is overlooked in favor of appeals to justice, “fairness” can become little more than a means of denying involvement in the problems of others, even when those “others” are the creator’s own progeny” (5). What do you think this means? Agree/disagree?
Agree, we think it means that basically you have to have some sympathy when you talk about what you think is fair because if you don’t when you think of something fair you will only think about yourself.


If time allows, talk about your annotations. Record your discussion for at least one major point in which you agree/disagree, make connections, ask questions, etc.

Article 2 (Millhauser): Discuss the following question and record your discussion.

1. In literature, the noble savage is: “an idealized concept of uncivilized man, who symbolizes the innate goodness of one not exposed to the corrupting influences of civilization” (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/416988/noble-savage). Discuss the monster as a noble savage. Why does he fit this archetype? Agree or disagree - “This aspect of the monster’s character is basically unnecessary to the horror-plot” (2). Disagree, He is born as a person who is intelligent but he has no experience and he starts with good intentions until people start to not accept him, and that corrupts him

If time allows, talk about your annotations. Record your discussion for at least one major point in which you agree/disagree, make connections, ask questions, etc.
The whole thing about abortion was very asinine and also very random.

Anonymous

Anonymous said...

Todays blogger: Cody Kukuk

Today's facilitator: Katy Thellman

Article 1: Prometheus is a titan. He created mankind. He stole fire to provide for them. Zeus got mad at him and punished him, by tying him to a rock and having an eagle eat his stomach. Frankenstein and his monster were similar to Prometheus and his people because they were creator and the created. She has the creator not care for his creation which makes them turn bad.
3. We agree because the creator always tries to make the creation the best it can be. People use other peoples input and feed back to try to make their creations better.
"To be responsible for oneself, it is first necessary to acknowledge what one is doing" We agree because if ydou cant keep track of what you are doing and know what is right, then you cant be responsible for your self.
2.1. The monster is a noble savage because he is smart and nice but then he became a savage when people were mean and neglected him. We disagree because it shows the reader that the monster started out nice and then gave more contrast when he was mean which made the reader have more emotion.

Anonymous said...

Today's Blogger: Dakota D.
Today's Facilitator: Lily R.

1. Prometheus is a Titan who stole fire from Zeus and brought it down to the humans that he created. Zeus got mad and chained him to a rock. Victor Frankenstein is like Prometheus and Zeus. He created a monster which is like stealing fire because he brought something new to the people and did God's work by creating life. Both created life without thinking of the consequenses.

3. We agree and disagree. Those who create things, if it be children, an idea, or a monster, are responsible for it. If it is a child, you have to make sure that they are ready for the outside world by teaching it in the ways that are suitable. The creator is responsible for talking care of the creation. However, creation should be able to work from itself sometimes. Like writing music or poetry, you can just write and see what comes from it. Not everything needs a plan or outline before it is created.

1. The monster is a noble savage because in the beginning, he was inherently good but his environment changed him. When he was exposed to the prejudices of humans and the ways of the world, he was overcome with the need of revenge. We disagree a lot. Without the two sides to this monster there would be no depth to the story and it would be boring and in "one dimension." He is so consumed in the dissapointment in himself that is causes him to kill. This is the entire plot;it is exceedingly important to the horror plot.

Anonymous said...

Typer: Amy Meyers

1. Prometheus, in Greek mythology, known for his intelligence, a titan, stole fire from Zeus and gave it to humans. He was chained to a rock for this. He created people and stole fire. Zeus got mad and punished him. This is like Frankenstein, because Zeus wants to ignore the creations and let them die off, just like Victor wanting to leave the monster. Victor and Prometheus are like each other because they both created a race.
3. We disagreed because creativity is not a single train of thought or a solitary impulse. When a person thinks of an idea, they stick with it and follow through with it. Just because a person created something does not mean that they will love it. They do not necessarily have to help it in any way, though depending on their ethics, they might help them.
1. It is an idealized concept who tries to be good because he cannot because of his physical appearance. The monster is a very stereotypical noble savage because he hasn’t been exposed to the cruelties of man at first and he kind of symbolizes goodness because he tries to be good, but others will not let him. The aspect of the monsters character is necessary to the plot.

Anonymous said...

Today’s Blogger:
(Who is typing today?)
Jeffrey
Today’s Facilitator:
Haylo
(Who is leading the discussion today?)

Discuss both articles. You will answer at least three questions total.

Article 1 (Hustis): Discuss the following questions. Record your discussion for at least two.

1. If necessary, use the internet to help you answer the following questions: Who is Prometheus in Greek mythology? What did he create? What did he steal? Who was mad and punished him? Explain how Hustis views the juxtaposition of the Greek myth with the Shelley’s Frankenstein and how she believes “Shelley innovatively problematizes the moral conflict between Zeus and Prometheus” (2).
Prometheus was a titan who stole fire from the gods and gave it to the humans. He created humans from clay. He stole fire from the gods. Zeus was mad and punished him.
2. Reread the last paragraph on page 4 (it continues onto the top of page 5). Discuss the following quote, “The modernity of Shelley’s Prometheus figure is illustrative of how, when Promethean pity is overlooked in favor of appeals to justice, “fairness” can become little more than a means of denying involvement in the problems of others, even when those “others” are the creator’s own progeny” (5). What do you think this means? Agree/disagree?

3. Agree or disagree – “Creativity can never be conceived of as a singular train of thought or a solitary impulse. Instead, creation is always an associative or nurturing act: a creator recognizes the inherent capabilities of his/her progeny (whether that progeny takes the form of a child, an idea, or a monster) and moulds and fashions it in the context most suitable for its development and success” (7).
We agree.
If time allows, talk about your annotations. Record your discussion for at least one major point in which you agree/disagree, make connections, ask questions, etc.

Article 2 (Millhauser): Discuss the following question and record your discussion.

1. In literature, the noble savage is: “an idealized concept of uncivilized man, who symbolizes the innate goodness of one not exposed to the corrupting influences of civilization” (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/416988/noble-savage). Discuss the monster as a noble savage. Why does he fit this archetype? Agree or disagree - “This aspect of the monster’s character is basically unnecessary to the horror-plot” (2).
The monster does fit the archetype of a noble savage, because he has not been corrupted until Victor starts mistreating him because of his looks. Disagree with the monster’s character being unnecessary, because it makes the reader feel sorry for him and make the reader dislike Victor.
If time allows, talk about your annotations. Record your discussion for at least one major point in which you agree/disagree, make connections, ask questions, etc.

Anonymous said...

Lobster Mittens
Beckett Bergstrom

#1. Prometheus was a titan who created man. He saw man as special and stole fire from Zeus giving it to the mortals. Zeus became angry and chained Prometheus to a boulder to suffer the fate of having his liver eaten out by ravens day after day forever.
Both strived to create a higher form of being but in the end they were both punished because of their ambition to create.

#3. We agree with the quote that creativity can never be conceived of as a singular train of thought. Creativity stems from other creativity, if you think with a single track mind there is no variety in the ideas. From an initial idea other ideas stem, these new ideas are shaped by the creator of the original thought into a multilayered complex thought.

#1. He is a noble savage because when he is created the creature’s mind is a blank slate, he doesn’t know right from wrong. All the monster knows is how the town’s people react to him. He is not exposed to humanity’s companionate side. When he kills at first he does not know that what he does is wrong and hurts people, but he soon learns what killing can do to the people who love the victim. The creature learns how to use this as a tool to chip away at Victor. This character trait is key for the mood of Frankenstein, without this aspect of the monster he would be just another mindless killing machine. But instead the monster seems three dimensional with human feelings helping you connect to the characters in the novel.